Sunday, May 4, 2014

A Saving Knowledge - Don Fortner

Very much worth listening to

May the Lord bless you with His light, if He so please.



    The five points of Calvinism should be expressed as unconditional damnation.

    The premise of Calvinism that men have no free-will and that men can only be saved if God predetermines each person for salvation.

    Calvinism teaches that men are saved by unconditional election.

    The antithesis of unconditional election is unconditional damnation.


    1. Total Depravity: Man is totally depraved so he cannot choose or desire God.

    If total depravity is true, then unless men are unconditional elected for salvation, they are unconditionally damned to hell for all eternity.

    2. Unconditional Election: God unconditionally elects those whom He has predetermined to save.

    If unconditional election is true, then conversely all others areunconditionally damned, lost outside of Christ.

    3. Limited Atonement: Jesus died only for those who have been unconditionally elected for salvation.

    If limited atonement is a Biblical fact, then all who are not unconditionally elected for salvation will die in their sins because they will face unconditional damnation.

    4. Irresistible Grace: When God calls the elect for salvation, they cannot resist.

    Those who are not called by irresistible grace will beunconditionally damned and will spend eternity in the lake of fire.

    5. Perseverance of the Saints: Once you have been unconditionally elected for salvation you can never be lost. Once saved always saved.

    If God did not unconditionally give you the faith so you could believe and be saved, and you have no free-will to believe or reject Jesus; then you are unconditionally damned. You are once damned always damned.

    God does not unconditionally save anyone nor is anyoneUNCONDITIONALLY DAMNED.

    THERE ARE NO POINTS OF CALVINISM THAT ARE SUPPORTED BY SCRIPTURE. [Read the whole New Testament and understand God's plan for mankind]


  2. Mr. Finnell, you obviously believe in works salvation. The Bible clearly states we are under bondage to sin (read Galations 4, Galations 5:1, Hebrews 2:15) Pastor Don Fortner would tell you himself, he is no Calvinist. His belief in God's sovereign election comes from the Bible, not a man (although I do not mean that John Calvin was wrong in his understanding of elective grace). The only way a man can be freed from his bondage to sin is by the Holy Spirit's work into the redemptive freedom of Christ from man's own bondage of depravity that he cannot in any capacity free himself from; therefore his heart is always, only inclined towards evil (Genesis 6:5) Read also Acts 8:23, Romans 8:21. You sound to me as those who are warned about in Galatians 2:4, 2 Peter 2:19. My freedom from the bondage and my own continual depraved inclination towards evil has been wrought by the Lord God who regenerated me by His elect love from everlasting. Romans 7 - 9 is very clear to anyone God has given spiritual eyes to. One who is dead, dead, dead in his sins cannot do anything to well up any kind of faith and choose Christ Jesus of his own "free will". A person in his coffin cannot lift one finger to help himself out of his grave. That is the work of the Lord alone and I am so glad for that, else, I would still be running headlong into hell. Your words are such that you obviously do not believe Ephesians 2.